Where is the Early 911 Register Secretary?

[912UK]

I have to say it two things.. odd and alittle out of order..

Odd because of the fact that he is a nice guy and has a real pashion for what he likes early cars.

Out of order because yes, some contact on the forum only takes mins.


On a personal note it's a shame because i do think he has access to some great people and can or could do some real good things with these contacts to build up the Pre 74 cars in general. Including his nice 356 as well..

Anyway the main thing is I hope it get sorted and he is well at least..

 

[912UK]

I forgot to add..

As for the club , well... Mike now you can see why us 356 lot have all but given up.. I'm not knocking the club but they are bloody slow and pig headed when it comes to any type of change..by the time they have done anything about a problem world has moved on and a full circle before they have any answer. Hence why so many early car people just put two fingers up and left..

Phil is all right isn't he..? hope so.. above all he has been good to me and Jo so I hope he's all right.

 

[Nick Moss]

It is sad that 2007 although was one of the most active years in terms of pre 74 events; Castle Hedingham, Silverstone Classic, the track day and (wisper it) Ragley Hall, plus the 40th birthday of the 911S, we have had a complete vacuum in organisation. I admit that PMJT did turn up to CH with 2 or 3 of his 911s but what effort went into getting the cars and suppliers to the event? All the contact I had from the Club was from the 356 guys. I calculated that there were more 356s than 911s. Then we had the Silverstone Classic entry and parking fisaco, and no 911S display at Silverstone or, I guess, at Ragley.

 

[Evil J Guano]

Good points.

My feeling is the 'Club' has it's comfort zone and rarely ventures out of it.

Rather than being reactive and only moving when forced we should be pro-active and be market leaders as a Car Club, if we had been then all these 'flash in the pan interweb car clubs with no future' would not have gone from strength to strength.

Whatever the board may think about the internet, it is the future, does Porsche AG not have a great site?

Unfortunately the internet is a double edged sword and enables us folk to speak our minds which can be painful sometimes, but that's life, get used to it.

[8|]

 

[early 911]

I was talking about Robin earlier . . . but Mike's outburst was slendid (i.e. an outburst in the classic sense) [][][][][]

 

[Evil J Guano]

but Mike's outburst was slendid

What we need I recon sometimes... a good kick up the article, my self included, easy to be complacent.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: Mike Moore

Collectively yesterday we tried to put pressure on the register director to tell us what he is doing about replacing Philip Tysom as Register Secretary.
At least he had the decency to respond, if only to tell us nothing. The fact that the PCGB is ignoring its members in this way shows an utter contempt
for our concerns, over a situation which has been dragging on for months.

I for one am beginning to feel that the money I pay to the club as an early car owner is being misappropriated as I am not being represented at
Register Secretary level, and the fact that our complaints are ignored shows nobody gives a toss, which is the very reason why I will not put
myself forward for the position.

Anyway I hope the Register Directer has a pleasant trip around Europe and in the meantime we remain without a Register Secretary.

Of course the one person who could shed some light on this is Tysom himself, perhaps he lurks in an internet twilight world and voyeuristically
views these threads, in which case he might like to tell the people he supposedly was representing whether he's done the decent thing and resigned.

Hi Mike,

I think part of the problem is that the Board are, after all, volunteers as well. To be fair to Robin he has a full time job & a home life before you even begin to find time for Club matters. With over 30 Registers to keep happy, and all the other things the Directors have to deal with - particularly after a major event! - I'd guess that this week he's been pretty busy and just hasn't dealt with this yet.

As an RS myself, I know that I don't always deal with members questions as quickly as they'd like, as I have to be at work during the day, and do sleep occassionally. They have to understand that we are giving up our own time to do this, and respect that commitment.

Yes, I appreciate that there's been a problem for a while, but you have to be fair and say that this is largely down to the existing RS, not the Board.

 

[Alex Postan]

I keep coming back to the question, what do want from our registers? I have two Porsches, one a current model and the other is something that attracts bile and condescension from bearded rivet counters. With the current car, I suppose I'd be looking for events to go to and for the older one, events to take part in - preferably competitive. Otherwise it is cameraderie and technical support. I have a number of other make cars and it is the event that you can take part in and the competition that makes the heart beat - not the brand.
Twelve car rallies anyone?
Treasure hunts?
Vmax outings?
Slalom?
It strikes me that the motorsport brigade does not cater for me - I race in Top Hat and the VSCC and Rally with the HRCR, CRA and other historic organisers. Nothing that PCGB puts on gives me the interest to prepare the car and spend money taking part.
Most historic rally organisers grumble at the lack of entries. Could our register directors gang together and rustle up three or four from each register to make a 20 car presence on one of these rallies? They are not car breakers, they are very sociable and both navigator and driver have an equal role in the job - usually they are husband and wife. I'll happily provide advice based on over 15 years of taking part.

PS edit, Many of the more open minded organisers will accept newer cars - or even moderns if they are something other than grey porridge

 

[912UK]

I think I will add to that, that I would like to see more low key informal hooks ups rather than huge big meetings.. I know we have the monthly meets but lets face it alot of them are not bothered by classic's so we do our own informal meeting off the forum

Classic days around the country eg trips to France for the day or over night

More techincal info built within the forum.. eg good posts are kept and cut and pasted to start to form a good history for other owners to follow.

More tec tips in the Porsche post..

Evenings or Saturdays at tec talks etc..

tune up days..

classic track days.

etc etc

 

[jamescharnley]

as an update :

I spoke to Phil Taysom last night and he sent an email to PCGB informing them of his resignation ( due to work commitments ) at the begining of July, followed by a snail mail proper letter near the end of July.

Speaking to Philip it appears he has larger issues with PCGB as a whole.

So the club has known they would be without an early911 reg sec since beginning of July.

 

[Lightweight_911]

"So the club has known they would be without an early911 reg sec since beginning of July"


- but the people he 'represented' ie us early 911(&912) owners didn't ....

As others have said, it would have been courteous to make a 10 sec announcement here on the forum & in the Register section of PP - I can really see no excuse whatsoever for this omission...

 

[jamescharnley]

I Imagine it was expected to be announced in PP ?

Either way I agree it should have been announced one way or another.

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: jamescharnley

as an update :

I spoke to Phil Taysom last night and he sent an email to PCGB informing them of his resignation ( due to work commitments ) at the begining of July, followed by a snail mail proper letter near the end of July.

Speaking to Philip it appears he has larger issues with PCGB as a whole.

So the club has known they would be without an early911 reg sec since beginning of July.

If that is the case then I hope Mike you are prepared to apologise and take all this back:

ORIGINAL: Mike Moore

I just want to know what the f**k he's playing at! When he took on the job he took on the responsibilty of representing us, and by not keeping us informed about anything over the last 6 months, let alone this current situation, he has spectacularly failed in that responsibility.

Any bullshit about work, travelling and being busy, is just that, bullshit. We are all busy people, not even to acknowledge or apologise for his absence is just plain rude. How much of his precious time could it have taken 3 months ago to say "sorry guys too busy to carry on as Register Secretary, or need to delegate, can someone help out" Its just taken me 15 seconds to write that, obviously he thinks we are not worth 15 seconds of his time.

I've had enough of this, and I don't think we should put up with it.

There is just no need for that kind of aggression and language on a public forum - its a car club for christ's sake not a world war, take a chill pill you lot and go and drive your cars....I thought you all had the fantastic DDK anyway so get over it. I think you should take the job...obviously you'd give up your job, family and everything else...to be the best Register Secretary ever....and you know what....you'd get no thanks for it anyway.

I'm really interested in getting an old Porsche at the mo, spending a lot of time learning about a generation of cars I know little about on here and mainly DDK...thought you lot were a bit more mature and sensible....laid back even...which is great thing these days - CH was one of the best events I've been to in a long time.

Not so sure now....you thought about getting Brett from the 928 Register to do it for you?[][]

 

[Mike Moore]

Jason, I had said I would not speak any more about this, but obviously I have to address your post.

I'm afraid you have missed the point here, and that is that Early 911 Register members have been kept completely in the dark over what to us is a very important issue, during what has been the most active summer for Early Cars over the past few years. The fact remains that the Register Secretary still has not informed the people he represents of what was going on. The fact also remains that the Register Director if he knew in July that Philip was resigning has not informed members of what was going on. Either way this is unacceptable.

Now I'm sure Philip is an honourable man, so the only possible scenario I can think of for his silence is that the Register Director has asked him not to communicate with us, for whatever reasons he may have. Now, if that is the case, its opens another can of worms as to why. Maybe its linked to the Register Directors own future.

All my previous posts and the language and tone I have used have been calculated to draw out a response from the parties involved or their representitives, which they have done, so that we as members of the Early 911 Register can try and understand what's happening and amongst ourselves prepare for the new season ahead, which already is shaping up to be a great one!

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: Mike Moore

All my previous posts and the language and tone I have used have been calculated to draw out a response from the parties involved or their representitives....

Not having a go Mike and understand your frustrated but to the above quoted post... it just doesn't happen in this club....you could shout and scream from the rafters but the heirarchy very rarely seem to care enough to post on the forum. So may as well keep your dignity.

I think they see us all as trouble makers[]

Anyway bored with this now so lets have a pic of your car....and cheer us all up[]

 

[IanHighfield]

All this discussion over the RS has actually raised in my mind :-

"what is the job role of the RS?" - answers on a postcard.

The Forum works perfectly well without an RS.
The car owners are perfectly able to organise a track day or rally entry amongst themselves.
The regional owners are very able to arrange to meet at a venue or event within their region.
They can setup a monthly / quarterly drive to a pub etc. etc.

I guess that what I am saying is, what does the RS do ? This is in no way a go at an RS, I would genuinely like to know what they have to do.

Once that is known, then I will have greater clarify as to why one is needed, and more importantly, what help they need.

I was for a number of years the membership secretary at my local swimming club, and that alone took a lot of time and effort - but not half as much as some of the officials put in, and all of course for free. Being part of the running of anything is a sacrifice to some extent, and a car club is no exception.

The swiming club had sections (competitive, diving, teaching, life saving etc.), and each section had MANY helpers and assistants to ensure it ran well, even when some of them were too busy at that time. It was by sharing the workload that we were able to all contribute, but without sacrificing life outside of that club.

Could there not be a similar setup here, all as part of the Early 911 Register :-

Track Days
Ralllies
Scenic Runs
Motorsport Event meet ups
Show 'n' Shine
etc. etc.

I want to get out and use my car, and would gladly help others in a particular group area - I want to do track days, scenic runs and rallies, adhoc evening meet-ups and so on.......

Just a thought - trying to move the debate forward to a more group run thing.

Your thoughts

And yes please Mike - lets have a picture to brighten our day.

Ian

 

[jamescharnley]

I like Ians way of thinking []

What's done is done & it looks like little will be gained from going round in circles & pointing fingers. Ians start on how things can move forward looks good.

To a certain extent what Ian describes is how DDK runs itself ... no one is given a specific task or job but enthusiastic members organising things off their own backs. I think once things become 'jobs' the fun is lost.

I tend to organise Northern DDK runs out which I'm happy for PCGB early reg to be a part of & link in to ... but I won't do this if it means I become a PCGB 'local runs organiser' as I wouldn't want it to be an official position. Wether PCGB board would accept this I don't know .... I imagine they wouldn't as it seems they always like to be in control [&o]

 

[IanHighfield]

James,

Thanks for the follow-up, and I fully support the group effort way - nobody has to have a job or a label.

As for PCGB not liking it, I am not sure they have a say (or do they, and if so, who and how and why). Nobody can stop you posting on the forum along the lines of :-

"Early 911 Northern run this weekend - all welcome - easy route across great rolling hills with free beer at the end - dream on!" - - those that are up for it simply post to say 'Yes' and away we go.

Similar to DDK - good point - how do the two co-exist and complement each other - power in numbers etc.

Ian

 

[IanHighfield]

Anyone up for this as an idea :-

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=321070&mpage=1&key=&#321070

Ian

 

[Nick Moss]

So the club has known they would be without an early911 reg sec since beginning of July.

I spoke to Robin at length about the lack of RS activity at the Silverstone Classic at the end of July, and he gave no indication whatsoever that he knew that PMJT had resigned. In fact he some something along the lines of "we are looking for a way to have him removed soon" if my memory (which isn'y what it used to be) serves me right. Perhaps RObin can clarify this when he gets back from the other side of Europe.