Building a 400bhp+ 2.5 ltr 944 Turbo
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PSH
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About a year ago my youngest son won an RS3...think its less than 400 though...its still a fast car. He's on holiday with his family in Weymouth with it this week...its a thirsty beast....think his onboard computer gave him a range of just 200 miles when he filled the tank before leaving home, he posted a picture of his gauge.....blade7 said:
Pete
blade7
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PSH said:About a year ago my youngest son won an RS3...think its less than 400 though...its still a fast car. He's on holiday with his family in Weymouth with it this week...its a thirsty beast....think his onboard computer gave him a range of just 200 miles when he filled the tank before leaving home, he posted a picture of his gauge.....
Pete
[h4]The newer RS3's with the alloy block have got 400 bhp, and can easily make a lot more. My daily runabout is a Leon Cupra R with awd, it only has 350 bhp, but with the DSG gearbox and launch control it's mid to low 4 seconds 0-60. Don't know if you could match that.[/h4]
Rapsey0909
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Not sure I understand this obsession with crazy HP out of a perfectly balanced sports car that is in essence fantastic to drive with 160 to 250hp.
Like a BRZ or an A110, those cars don't make big HP but would leave a large GT or muscle car for dead in the real world on real roads.
I get pushing for a bit more like 30hp over standard but too much and you change the dynamics of what these cars are.
If you look at each 944 they all have plus points HP aside.
Like the Lux is super simple, light and nimble, very reliable and easy to live with. The Turbo has a bit more weight and more things to maintain but has more power to go with that but push for too much and turbo lag is a pig.
The S2 is a bit more GT car than sports car heavier again but nice performance with no lag and a smooth cruiser.
You can get faster cars but then they won't be a 944.
Like a BRZ or an A110, those cars don't make big HP but would leave a large GT or muscle car for dead in the real world on real roads.
I get pushing for a bit more like 30hp over standard but too much and you change the dynamics of what these cars are.
If you look at each 944 they all have plus points HP aside.
Like the Lux is super simple, light and nimble, very reliable and easy to live with. The Turbo has a bit more weight and more things to maintain but has more power to go with that but push for too much and turbo lag is a pig.
The S2 is a bit more GT car than sports car heavier again but nice performance with no lag and a smooth cruiser.
You can get faster cars but then they won't be a 944.
PSH
PCGB Member
Actually, within reason I agree with you fully and why I have kept the engine as a 2.5 to retain it's dynamics. I don't like 16v 3ltr engines for this very reason and have said so at the beginning of this thread some 7 years ago.Rapsey0909 said:
The early turbo is perfect for this, it's the lightest turbo at only +100kg of the first 82 lux and most nimble of all turbo's, its more predictable at the limit, its basically a pure joy to drive. Add some extra horses and that chassis is close to unbeatable in the right hands. Not mine I might add, but such a chassis with its power at least makes me look a fast driver...
Pete
Rapsey0909 said:
I had a 2.5 na for a few years and it was excellent but always felt to me like it needed another 100bhp, I then bought a late turbo with c100 more and with the upgraded suspension / brakes / wheel sizes it felt like it needed another 100bhp ! With 50-100 more (slow development) I used it for many years as a daily driver - ok on sheet ice (with summer tyres) once on boost it just slid sideways down the camber, but reasonable progress was possible off boost. If you have more power than my c350 you don't have to always use it - there is a pedal that offers control over how much is dispensed!
Diver944
Active member
Who gets to decide what is too much power? For many years I drove a circa 100bhp hatchback and was perfectly happy with it (still am) . Why would anyone want a crazily overpowered vehicle with 160-250bhp on our road system? 95% of drivers on the road would already think the driver of a 2.5 n/a is overcompensating in the trouser department.
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PSH
PCGB Member
Diver944 said:Who gets to decide what is too much power? For many years I drove a circa 100bhp hatchback and was perfectly happy with it (still am) . Why would anyone want a crazily overpowered vehicle with 160-250bhp on our road system? 95% of drivers on the road would already think the driver of a 2.5 n/a is overcompensating in the trouser department.
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Haha...Says he who never sort more power...
Diver944 said:Who gets to decide what is too much power? For many years I drove a circa 100bhp hatchback and was perfectly happy with it (still am) . Why would anyone want a crazily overpowered vehicle with 160-250bhp on our road system? 95% of drivers on the road would already think the driver of a 2.5 n/a is overcompensating in the trouser department.
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Even my wife’s daily driver - for the 5 mile commute and her GP house visits - has 300bhp.
I must admit, having a turbo nutter in the garage does make me more serene day in day out. I’m getting 51mpg and 31,000 miles out of a set of front tyres on my Lexus ES 300h hybrid. Although its replacement will be here early next year and will have 435bhp and be 4wd so I’m keeping the power (im)balance going . . . it will be electric though
PSH
PCGB Member
Today being Thursday meant club meet day, this gives me time to stretch the old girls leg. I took a different route this time with some faster open roads to see how the new WG performs.
In a word..YES! ... I, of course...haven't floored it in top gears but going by the strength of the pull it will keep going to the 7200 redline in 5th, that equals silly speeds. I again took her to over 1.7 BAR, 1.76 to be precise and took her nowhere near WOT, only about 70%. One A1 section I accelerated very fast through 2nd, 3rd and into 4th, it literally took my breath away.
So I'm a happy bunny...need to slow down a bit now....this concludes another boring update of my build.....
Pete
In a word..YES! ... I, of course...haven't floored it in top gears but going by the strength of the pull it will keep going to the 7200 redline in 5th, that equals silly speeds. I again took her to over 1.7 BAR, 1.76 to be precise and took her nowhere near WOT, only about 70%. One A1 section I accelerated very fast through 2nd, 3rd and into 4th, it literally took my breath away.
So I'm a happy bunny...need to slow down a bit now....this concludes another boring update of my build.....
Pete
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