Also... Klar ist, bei den Rahmendaten die bislang im Raum stehen (380PS, 3.8er), wäre alles über 90k eine Frechheit und sollte eigentlich von Mr Demon gemeinschaftlich boykottiert werden. Einfach um mal ein Zeichen zu setzen. Quite!
Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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From AutoExpress ...In other news, Hatz confirmed a new Cayman variant – likely the track-focused GT4 – for release in the spring. As a result it’s safe to predict a Geneva Motor Show debut in March. He said this too would be a step up from the previous flagship model, saying: “We’ve moved it a little bit up [from the Cayman R] – it’s a proper motorsport car.†The objective for Porsche’s investment in the Cayman GT4 is to create a road car that would be compliant with current regulations in the highly competitive race series. The GT4 European Series currently includes models such as the Aston Martin GT4 Vantage, BMW M3 GT4 and Lotus Evora GT4. If all goes according to plan, we could see the Cayman GT4 appear as soon as next season...
The eagerly anticipated Porsche 911 GT3 RS will get a brand-new, naturally aspirated six-cylinder engine according to company bosses, with the unit eventually working its way into other models within the wider Porsche range. Details are scarce, but during an interview at the 2015 Detroit Motor Show, Porsche R&D boss Wolfgang Hatz confirmed a completely new engine for the upcoming GT3 RS. There had been rumours of turbocharging within the 911 range – but Hatz insisted that would be reserved for lesser models, and only when the 991 variant gets an overhaul later this year. He also told us that the RS will be PDK-only to begin with, but that a manual hasn’t been ruled out in the long term. The dual-clutch automatic gearbox is the only option on Porsche’s standard GT3, but changes gear in a matter of milliseconds. Defending this decision, he said: “I have customers who said, ‘now we understand.’ PDK proved a lot of people wrong.†Hatz also commented on how he wanted to create more distinction for the 911 GT3 RS. He hinted that the GT3 RS will be a bigger step up than before, with more separation from the standard GT3 than we saw on the previous-generation 997 versions. “Performance has to be the main objective. Customers love the current GT3. The RS has to be the peak. The 991 GT3 was very much a surprise for everybody because it’s a very useable car for every day. The GT3 RS will be more extreme,†he said. There will be more changes to the body and more changes to the car’s aero in an attempt to shave even more time off the GT3’s already impressive 7 minute 25 second Nurburgring lap time. Hatz couldn’t go into what those changes might be, but we can expect a more sculpted exterior, with a lower ride height and an even bigger fixed wing. In other news, Hatz confirmed a new Cayman variant – likely the track-focused GT4 – for release in the spring. As a result it’s safe to predict a Geneva Motor Show debut in March. • Porsche Cayman GT4 spotted He said this too would be a step up from the previous flagship model, saying: “We’ve moved it a little bit up [from the Cayman R] – it’s a proper motorsport car.†The objective for Porsche’s investment in the Cayman GT4 is to create a road car that would be compliant with current regulations in the highly competitive race series. The GT4 European Series currently includes models such as the Aston Martin GT4 Vantage, BMW M3 GT4 and Lotus Evora GT4. If all goes according to plan, we could see the Cayman GT4 appear as soon as next season. Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/911/90043/porsche-911-gt3-rs-to-get-brand-new-engine#ixzz3OnFAKpzx
Jeff, I think this bit in quotes is what the writer is going off
Is the 991 GT3 a "proper motorsport car" Soon we'll have to start a turbo thread.... Ralph
I suppose that everyone has their own take on what constitutes a "proper motorsport car" Ralph. You could argue that a GT3 RS fits the bill whereas a plain GT3 just has sporting pretentions, so I'm not sure where that leaves the GT4 unless Porsche plans to introduce an RS version. The introduction of turbocharged 981 and 991 variants is going to open a can of worms given the tuning potential of turbo engines. More to the point, what's going to happen to the GT4 once the rumoured 2-year production run has been completed? Will the Gen2 GT4 continue to use a N/A flat-6 engine or will it use a tuned turbo-4? Interesting times ahead..! Jeff
“We’ve moved it a little bit up [from the Cayman R] – it’s a proper motorsport car.†My take on this is that its going to be like the original GT3 with Roll Cage, Bucket seats and Cup tyres as standard and so track ready. Those looking for a high performance, comfortable (for Ralph and me) road car are going to be disappointed. Also I think the price is going to be a lot higher than some are suggesting as the costs to produce very low volumes with this spec. are going to be high. I'm sure we will get some comments about this from Mr. D shortly.
Chris, It is called value pricing, costs don't really come into it. I am sure most of the parts will existing components. They have to reverse the engine/gearbox, make some changes to the block for oil pipes, change some mountings in the shell, lay a 991-type map on the Cayman base, design/test aero, decide what to put on the options list, pick some colours, and make a higher margin than other Cayman models. In the USA, Porsche have dissuaded private teams from racing 981/991 shelled vehicles so they have to continue to run 987.2 with 3.8 Powerkit engines. I think there will be a bigger market in the USA for Cayman based race cars than in FIA GT4 - question is will Porsche have chosen teams in the first couple of GT4 years?
Call it value pricing or perceived value as I prefer to describe it Ralph, I'm sure Porsche see this "proper motorsport car '' as an opportunity to get as much as they can for such a special / low volume track car. The fact that they have all the parts from other products and can produce GT4 at minimum development cost is why they are the most profitable car company. Maybe the RUF 3800S conversion isn't going to be as expensive as we first thought? Chris
My eyes are still watering
Jeff, USA is half RuF cost, albeit with a lot of complicated logistics - can share further details but offline please.
The point I was making in my previous post was as its going to be a "proper motorsport" (track) car then if we compare it with original GT3 that was £75k plus options when it first came out over 10 years ago this would make the GT4 at least £85K plus options now. Makes my eyes water too, Ralph.
Sounds to me like the 991 GT3 RS and 981 Cayman GT4 are both going to be "motorsport cars". Perhaps we going to see carbon fibre doors and passive adjustable suspension on the RS?
Frankly if that's what you want, why on earth are you looking at the GT4? There are three existing models that cater for your requirements. Chris.
I was asked for a deposit in early June as they said a LOI by email might get lost - I though the last bit was a good response.
I went to pay, and my OPC said "why do you want the money sitting in our bank and not yours, when we need the 3k we will ask you, don't worry" until it's on the Porsche system Feb 4th, no dealer can put the money on a car, so it's just dealers money until then. I'll pay up a few days before to avoid a order delay if we can order on the 4th also.
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