The £45k LHD 64RS
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Stewart H
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Kevin looked at it (see his earlier posts) and there's the replacement door cards to take into account, so it has got to be a total of £50k+ to buy it and put it back to original. You can accept paying more to a dealer because he has got to make his profit to run his business and pay his mortgage, but a private sale should be cheaper. Let's face it, GTC and H&S were trying to make £5k to find a buyer for the really low mileage Guards Red one, so anyone trying to sell privately has to undercut the dealers.
Exactly, plus the dealers are often happy to take an existing Porsche in px and can offer finance deals...often important on a car of this value.
Advertised prices aside I think we are quite some way off of the £50k private sale for a reasonable not concours or condition1 964RS.
This takes nothing away from them being great cars etc... but there is a relatively small volume of sales going through repricing the market in many peoples eyes.
Advertised prices aside I think we are quite some way off of the £50k private sale for a reasonable not concours or condition1 964RS.
This takes nothing away from them being great cars etc... but there is a relatively small volume of sales going through repricing the market in many peoples eyes.
The Right Hookers broke the £50K resistance level a little while back....[8|][8|]
Agree, but are there not 41 or something of those made for the Uk against the 2054 lhd cars produced?....How many rhd have sold above £50k Des???
I recall a nice white rhd car avilable for less in the last 6 months again, consider numbers selling and whether dealer or private to get a true handle on prices.
I must say I do like your new avatar, the mint seat backs look good, but when you said you were going to spray the wheel centres mint as well...I wasn't sure, have to say though it works, your car looks great in that picture [
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I have always hated the view that private sales for RS must be "cheaper" than the equivalent dealer car. Just a point of view I suppose but i like to view it as Dealer sales are an inflated view of the price i.e. you pay too much and the private sale represents the true value of the vehicle.As to how much you can ask as a private seller will depend on the car obviously. But for a "perfect" car, which represents the true value? the dealers price or the private seller who sold it to them?
I accept the dealers have to make money but i don't have to like it[]
I accept the dealers have to make money but i don't have to like it[
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lee fulford
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When looking to buy a relatively old car I wouldn't tend to value private any less if the car was what I was looking for. That might only be because I know what I'm looking at.
It's not just that dealers have to make money, they also offer services that the majority of private buyers do not. There are more people able to pay £5k for a car than there are £40k+....px, finance etc can be required. Plus on an older car from an established dealer, you do get some form of warranty and sale of goods protection, unlike a private sale.
The point I have been trying to make is that these cars are not a homogenous commidity (look it up), for example Lee's garage queen will be worth far more privately than the high miles car Gmund has for sale...so many cars out there, so many conditions and indeed expectations of value []
The point I have been trying to make is that these cars are not a homogenous commidity (look it up), for example Lee's garage queen will be worth far more privately than the high miles car Gmund has for sale...so many cars out there, so many conditions and indeed expectations of value [
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I am not knocking the dealers here, they have a place and need to make a living. Granted some will buy a car do useful work on it and then put it up for sale which is a good thing in my opinion. But as for additional services then that's up to the individual to decide. The buyer has to weight up the merits or otherwise of a dealer warrenty(if you have checked the car out properly then suprises should be few) and of obtaining finance through a dealer. But the mark up will always be the mark up and have nothing to do with either of the above. What's a commidity btw? []
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Do you think that many people feel comfortable buying a car privately for £40+k ?
Some of us like the hunt, checking the car out, doing the hpi etc....for many buyers I get the impression they are comfortable using an established dealer, which is clearly where they add value to the system.
Some of us like the hunt, checking the car out, doing the hpi etc....for many buyers I get the impression they are comfortable using an established dealer, which is clearly where they add value to the system.
Question beckons, of all the recent figures achieved how many were Private Sales?
I have just sold my 996GT3 as a private sale, and I have a private somebody who says he wants to buy my Red 964RS next week ?
Just bought a very nice 996GT3RS privately whilst I wait for a lovely 964RS Clubsport to turn up ...
So that's three !
Maybe dealers just tell us we can't, when in fact we can ? I prefer talking to the person that has owned the car than the dealer who is trying to remeber what he has been told by the previous owner --- but I have yet to experience a blown up engine ! On the other hand, if it had been a dealer purchase, would the dealer pay or ?
So many dodgy warranties ---
Just bought a very nice 996GT3RS privately whilst I wait for a lovely 964RS Clubsport to turn up ...
So that's three !
Maybe dealers just tell us we can't, when in fact we can ? I prefer talking to the person that has owned the car than the dealer who is trying to remeber what he has been told by the previous owner --- but I have yet to experience a blown up engine ! On the other hand, if it had been a dealer purchase, would the dealer pay or ?
So many dodgy warranties ---
SimonExtreme
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I am sorry I cannot agree with Laurence as I would never pay a private person the same for a car as I would pay a dealer. With a dealer, I have a fair amount of legal protection/ warranty etc while with a private individual, I have very little. This is worth something. I have seen it suggested that the figure is IRO £2000. Somke dealers will actually give you that amount off, if ypu are prepared to wave your rights. Nothing dodgy. Same car, 2 prices.
Whether the £40k+ car is on offer from a dealer or privately is, in my view, not the whole story. Those of us who are not experts (on this board the minority I accept but we all have to start somewhere) need advice we can trust. With this in place, it would not make so much difference whether the car being considered were a private or dealer sale as the expert advice would be the same.
However, the advantage of a purchase from a reputable dealer is that if an unforseen problem occurs post sale, the reputable dealer would be more likely than a private seller to help try to find a solution.
Nick
However, the advantage of a purchase from a reputable dealer is that if an unforseen problem occurs post sale, the reputable dealer would be more likely than a private seller to help try to find a solution.
Nick
That's one 964RS and price?
Anyway with all the deserved hype (witch I have been guilty off over the years) feel until we see some more private sales achieving top money, we should all have a little reality check as to real value. Problem is NO supply.....other than the Maritime car which all addded up is near £50K when it's put back to original. Let's see.
Talking dealers, I would certainly pay a reasonable premium but would be very careful which dealer I bought from, a very knowledgeable dealer with a good reputation within the 964RS community....Paul McLean GT Classics, that to me is worth a small premium if only he had some stock!.....particularly a Clubsport for my growing list[
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Simon if you read my post again you'll see that i did not say you would pay the same, that's my point! You will pay more every time at a dealer for a "similar" car. Is that car worth more coz it's at the dealers? or is the true value what it would fetch private sale? In my follow up post i also said it's up to the individual to decide if the additional "services" a dealer offers are for that particular buyer. How much is a warranty? will you take the dealers word when you buy or will you get a ppi?? etc etc.
Des did'nt you buy private too?
Des did'nt you buy private too?
I certainly did Laurence, Butzi I bought thru Porsche Post had been in six editions! And then hung around, there were a few around ....The Clubsport I bought through www.mobile.de again privately, just had to move quick on that one![]
If I were buying now with little for sale I would certainly consider a dealer as above.
Off to pick it up now with it's refreshed gearbox and clutch......[]
]If I were buying now with little for sale I would certainly consider a dealer as above.
Off to pick it up now with it's refreshed gearbox and clutch......[
]I fully agree that a dealer is worth something for his expertise --- particularly where he is finding a car that would not otherwise be available --- or is sorting out a car that needs parts that are in short supply.
All I am also saying, is that we can probably do more ourselves --- if we want to.
All I am also saying, is that we can probably do more ourselves --- if we want to.
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